Model Armour

Hi



Do you recognize this lorry? I am always looking for interesting pictures both for research and also diorama opportunities
It is a Spanish Civil War photo, but the side is indeterminate as the Pz IA was captured and re-captured as the war progressed. there are no clear number plates or uniforms so it could be either side. There is a light/dark patch on the turret rear that could signify one side or the other but the Panzer could be being taken from the battlefield by the victors
The points I have seen, are
Long wheel base, single axle double wheel, 8/9 panels on the flatbed, large front mudguard, broad running board, very high domed cab roof, must have a 6 metric tonne capacity, if they actually knew what weight the panzer was
I have, looked primarily through 1:35 kits, and found nothing that matches to date
It could be that the domed cab roof is the spoiler as the remainder does seem to be quite generic for many of the inter war lorries but which one?
If anyone has any further ideas, clues, wild guesses, I am open to all of these.

Thank you for your assistance in this little conundrum.

Steve H

Hi Steve,

To be honest, couldnt tell you what the lorry is,but do you think that maybe that domed cab could also be a spare wheel!! - would make for an interesting dio - what about using one of the latest miniart lorries - looking forward to see if the dio idea ever comes to life - good luck.

Paul

Hi Paul

That's a good idea, never even crossed my mind when puzzling this over
The dio is a possibility if I find a lorry with the length on the flatbed
Miniart trucks are in the ballpark but either too short or too late for the 1930's,
but I'm getting closer, thanks for your help Paul

Steve H

Steve-
not that long ago- Deano posted a similar pic- Pre-WWII with Bussing-Nag trucks hauling Panzer I's, (or was it II's).

Google Bussing-Nag and you'll find some more pics.

I believe ICM or one of the other small manufacturers make one- and if you can wait a bit- AFV Club just announced one.

Steve

Steve,
Not been much help -but your welcome anyway

Paul

Thanks Steve
It does look similar, but I think this might be the one?

Its a Bierleit, and the photo was kindly suggested at Histomil.com.
The domed cab roof is still a hiccup, but Paul suggested a spare wheel, it could be a panel at the end of the flatbed?
The large mudguard and running board are there and there is a "spare wheel rack" in front of the rear axle, below the flatbed which is also common.
Its a very good match, I just have to wait for a 1:35 kit to be released
but you never know
Thank you Steve and Paul for your input, much appreciated

Cheers

Steve H

Hello Steve,
seems that it is a ZIS-5 3 ton or a YaG-6 5 ton both are Russian and the soldiers seem to be national Falangists.

Thanks for all.

Vicens

Hi steve

A lot of this style of truck was used in the early stages of the war, spanish civil, and second world.
My guess the dome you are looking at could be the folded canvas, if you look at the size in relation to the vehicle it is too low to be a roof.

The panzer one and two were of a low tonnage so easier to transport.
The mercedes here for example

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... _6500.html

is a potential as it had the payload.....

Bussing nag appear to be either too heavy or too light a build to be this particular example

Krupp could be a possibility......

The trouble at this stage of the 30's regarding German transport was non standardisation, the german military attempted to uniform its logistical support with the einheitsdiesel trucks, ford, opel etc.

Hope this helps

Now awaiting the woopass from more knowledgeable sources

No. I don't recognize this vehicle.

Alex.

thanks Alex, and Thanks too Vlad,

I don't think the "more knowledgeable one" is available, but you sure do a good impersonation
I like the canvas on the cab roof, the dome does look too unnatural to be the real roof, but something loaded/attached to it

The interwar period was a real melting pot for the civilian/military crossover with transport of heavier items like small tanks
The one thing that seems to unset the apple cart is the payload, a lot of the trucks that are listed as being able to carry, the Pz IA couldn't carry 5 metric tonnes, that was heavy for most of the trucks both suggested and in the frame as "the one".
The flatbed doesn't really need to be too long as the Pz IA was quite "stumpy" and the length of a family saloon car,as the Americans would say.

Perhaps it was a "one trip" deal when the suspension pinged as it collapsed
Its still an open forum and any more ideas, thanks again Vlad, glad you are getting back into it with us

Still looking

Steve H